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11-27-2017 05:38 PM
I’m now not saying I haven’t performed any homework – I even have in reality dedicated a couple hours to getting to know this question. i am besides the fact that children hunting for some advice – here’s what you need to recognize:
1. My work area is about 300 SF (single-car storage).
2. i would like to have a important dust collection gadget to meet my DC wants (presently I have a single Ridgid ShopVac that I wheel to each tool as crucial).
three. at present, the following could be linked to observed DC device: 10” cupboard saw, 13” Planer, 6” Jointer, 13” Bandsaw, 10” Radial noticed, and two routing stations (one inbuilt desk station and one Pantorouter). I do count on including more equipment sooner or later, with a Drill Press being an immediate want, however bench sander and maybe a lathe being future acquisitions.
I don’t foresee ever the use of more than two tools concurrently, however I don’t need to be relocating the DC from location to location – I have the advantage and budget to set up a sequence of ducts tied into a relevant station.
Now the questions. most likely the key one is how big is simply too large and what’s too small? On the internet, I found two Delta units that are inside budget friendly shuttle distance and priced between $four hundred and $450. One is a 2 HP single bag equipment (1,500 CFM) and the different is a three HP twin column system (2,a hundred CFM). both use 220V single-section motors that i will combine into my current electrical equipment.
My thought is to buy whatever thing akin to the two systems described above in order that i can have an immediate solution to my grime gathering needs. but finally i want to manufacture a cyclone assortment system constructing off of what i buy. With that history, right here is the 2d query: is it feasible to purchase a unit that has a 3-part motor after which use a VFD to alter the velocity (and therein the CFM energy)? in that case, and considering that that my existing work house is probably going to be as massive as it ever should be – what stands out as the greatest motor/housing I should accept as true with for any such gadget? is this a foolish conception or anything worth given that?
if you’re nevertheless right here – thanks for studying. I’m anticipating this groups remarks as you have got helped me incredibly throughout my Unisaw acquisition and refurbish.
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#1 posted 11-27-2017 06:23 PM
David – there are a couple of DC threads on LJ that speak concerning the numerous points of dust collection.
My first inclination is that either system you mention can be “large satisfactory”. simply be sure the system is tight and in case you run ducts (PVC) to the a variety of pieces of equipment you should maintain the pipe diameter the equal measurement as the dirt assortment nozzles on the gadget (continually three” or 4”). That limits the drive loss when running the DC device. My method is to have a four” line with a tee and a blast gate on the road it is linked to the table saw and a further blast gate that has a 4” hose that I connect to the router desk, planer, jointer, or other vigour device when i exploit it. That limits the amount of duct you have to run in addition to limiting the knowledge for leaks affecting the vacuum.
You mention the 3HP is a twin column gadget. I’m assuming that skill there is a chip assortment bag and a filth bag (of filter) above it?
if you can find out what the vacuum rating is that goes with the cfm remember to also be capable of examine if there is enough vacuum to tackle a 2d stage. customarily, DC methods run eleven” WC vacuum. I believe the VFD would wind up cost you in vacuum because of the fan legal guidelines. A VFD and three section motor would additionally cost reasonably a little bit in addition to requiring somewhat a bit of extra complex wiring to convert from 240V single part.
which you could build a thein baffle to work as a primary stage to knock out the chips and bigger grime particles and enhance the usual effectivity of the Delta DC as a second stage. You could additionally purchase the plastic in/out exact that matches on a 30 gallon trashcan and use it as a first stage. however, which you could additionally purchase a cyclone to set up in front of the Delta DC.
I’ve rambled on sufficient. Take a look on the boards and projects on LJ that relate to grime collection and tell us you probably have greater questions.
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#2 posted eleven-27-2017 07:10 PM
you are quoting mfg cfm information and are means over precise performance. There are a couple of good sources for real records.
You do not point out what class, measurement or size of duct will you be using. You deserve to take note the ducting and associated losses to determine what you want.
You say you devoted a couple hours to analysis which is not ample time. I spent days identifying what I crucial and eventually installed. you could examine my blogs on my equipment.
that you can do a couple of various things.
1) read the Pentz web site and look at a bunch and plan out what you want. This might take some time and IMHO value the hassle.
2) that you would be able to take a wager, spend very little time and just purchase whatever thing and hope it really works.
#3 posted eleven-27-2017 07:18 PM
Thanks gentlemen – i will continue to analysis and incorporate your constructive perception/opinions. I additionally need to agree with complete usual size – we now have a tiny Mazda three for transport of all acquisitions; in any other case should rent a person/whatever (Dolly, U-Haul or in any other case) to deal with transportation. I’m distinctly confident the 2 HP system is Mazda pleasant when disassembled. now not so sure notwithstanding about the 3 HP. BTW, both methods I’m taking a look at are the Delta 50-851 (2 HP) and 50-853 (three HP).
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#4 posted 11-27-2017 07:23 PM
depends on how clean you need the air to your shop; I’d go together with the 3HP unit; for the small fee difference it’ll address including a cyclone unit greater sooner or later. by the point you add a cyclone and ducting to the 2HP unit, you’re probably most effective having less than 500CFM at top-quality, whereas the 3HP unit should be able to preserve 700CFM or superior with ducting and a cyclone.
you should keep the pipe diameter the equal dimension as the dirt collection nozzles on the machine (usually 3” or 4”). That limits the drive loss when working the DC device.- EarlS
Agreed, this can cut back the force loss (air pace), but the static drive (friction) from running four” or 3” duct will kill your CFM. The issue with the air speed loss is so that you can get chips build up to your ducts however actually isn't a problem in case you go will a 3HP unit. The most advantageous design could be to use 6” duct as much as each and every computer and then cut back the diameter appropriate at the laptop.
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#5 posted eleven-27-2017 07:29 PM
An option to consider in case you don’t want to get into ductwork appropriate away is the Rockler dustright device. which you could flow the hose from desktop to desktop as you want it with out moving the dc unit.
#6 posted 11-27-2017 07:40 PM
dirt assortment CFM is corresponding to clamps in that you should never have too a whole lot. Get the biggest grime gadget you can maybe come up with the money for and have space to maintain it. in the 50+ years I even have been woodworking I have in no way considered a working store that become totally too grime-free
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#7 posted 11-27-2017 07:forty four PM
I feel the first thing you ought to make a decision is whether or not your goal is to keep your shop looking clear, or is it to avoid having to put on a respirator if you are running your equipment? If it’s the previous, than the 2HP Delta will do, besides the fact that children a brand new HF “2 HP” with a Wynn filter improve will do in regards to the identical for much less funds.
If it’s the latter, neither are doubtless first rate ample, youngsters you can be able to mod the 3HP model up to be respectable ample. in fact, you desire seven-hundred CFM precise on the device. The CFM numbers you have, as RedOak49 says, are inflated a lot, and you are not likely to peer seven-hundred CFM on the tool. normally, you want 6” main and 4” drops to get that. continuously, you want whatever like a 15” impeller to get that. at all times, you need as a minimum three real HP to get that. continuously, you most effective have one (now not two) blast gates open at a time. Powering on two tools on the equal time is usually hazardous. but, as at all times YMMV.
Please do study the Pentz website. You don’t should believe everything he says, however no person has ever truly proven him incorrect. He has loads of precise information, useful information, on what the complications are, and as a minimum one way to solve them.
Please don’t confuse separation efficiency with filtering efficiency. A separator, like a Thein baffle, or even a good cyclone, does one factor, and only one aspect – it avoids having to clean your filter as regularly. anything else you get out of your airstream earlier than it hits the filter is decent, but simplest since it clogs the filter ultimately. after which you ought to clear it out You first must get your air clear sufficient (both get little visible dust/chips or be in a position to not wear a respirator), after which that you may fret about how regularly you ought to clear your filter.
in the conclusion, you can buy or borrow an air first-class meter that tells you ways neatly you're doing on clean, or you can get an airflow measuring equipment and assess if in case you have >700 CFM on the tool as long as you have got an satisfactory filter. Of path if all you need is a shop that looks clean, and you put on a respirator should you work, then which you could do that by eye :)
I don’t know of any hobbyist DCs that use three phase. Even the big ClearVue or Oneida that many of us aspire to personal is single phase. more airspeed is usually not a problem, besides the fact that children noise can be,
I’ll guess you could get that “3HP” Delta within the Mazda. It’s just how a good deal disassembly and the way many trips you'll want.
#8 posted eleven-27-2017 09:57 PM
i might limit my search to 2-stage units with pleated filters. unless that you could place the collector in a closet, the bag filters fire up means too plenty grime.
something you set up to your shop will likely still be there in three-5 years, so you might as neatly do it correct. I bought a 2HP wall hooked up cyclone and it works perfect. My software and tool collection is corresponding to yours.I paid $200 for it at an property sale. It had been installed in two different retail outlets, however under no circumstances attached to energy.
I used to drool over these moveable Jet and Laguna cyclones, but next to my full-sized Tempest cyclone those look tiny!
2HP minimum, and ideally a 14-15” or larger impeller.
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#9 posted 11-28-2017 01:10 PM
Don’t over consider it. Get the maximum CFM which you could afford and have space for and move on…. truth is, you'll by no means get rid of filth on your shop, you're going to under no circumstances reach the pinnacle of no longer having to put on a filth mask beneath heavy sanding circumstances. settle for it and go start making anything.
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#10 posted eleven-28-2017 05:31 PM
good stuff above. I’d guess that you could get the higher unit on your motor vehicle (may also now not be easy, but likely workable) and it will make sure you have got sufficient power for the long run. just make certain you have got ample area for it within the shop.
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#11 posted eleven-28-2017 05:53 PM
Of course one might appoint a truck for a few hours to get a bigger unit home or possibly have a chum with a pickup truck.
#12 posted 12-02-2017 03:10 PM
Who would of concept that dirt assortment may well be so advanced! After going through all the replies, I opted for this 3 HP system (Delta mannequin 50-853):
additionally picked up the rolling feed desk within the historical past. The seller kindly delivered these to my entrance door at no further cost, which made this a darn first rate bargain – in case you trust that point is funds ;-)
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#13 posted 12-02-2017 06:forty eight PM
I favored brtech’s reply. keep the issue as an entire within the back of your mind. First component is a respirator whereas reducing, after that every little thing is gravy. I’d be cautious about ever pondering collection is so good on the source that respirator isn’t crucial. How do you definitely test that?
With the unit you bought, I’d think about you have so tons power the simplest precise difficulty is whether or not those baggage are going to blow satisfactory dust appropriate back into the shop. i take advantage of a Dylos laster particle counter so i know when issues are protected. also, it is in reality cool in case you’re going to construct a cyclone so that you can definitely measure efficiency.
#14 posted 12-05-2017 03:forty AM
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