Hewlett-Packard Co. officials are marking the 30th anniversary of the OpenVMS operating system's introduction by means of telling clients of the software that it nonetheless would not have an expiration date.
To carry that message, HP has brought out a few of its excellent executives, together with Martin Fink, senior vice chairman and customary supervisor of the business's enterprise-important systems community. right through a webcast on Friday, Fink responded to questions submitted by contributors of the Chicago-based mostly encompass user community. encompass, which originated as a group for shoppers of the previous Digital gadget Corp., also posted a doc containing written responses to questions that have been posed to Fink in increase of the webcast.
moreover, Mark Hurd, HP's chairman, CEO and president, has recorded a video that may also be viewed on an OpenVMS thirtieth anniversary web site that the dealer has installation. within the video, Hurd tells OpenVMS clients that the working gadget is still a "key product" and that HP "will proceed to support it for the foreseeable future."
additionally, HP last week introduced an up-to-date version of the working gadget it really is due out within the subsequent two weeks and should include new hardware help plus different facets. The company additionally spoke of it plans so as to add help for the JBoss and MySQL open-source applied sciences in a subsequent unencumber subsequent 12 months.
OpenVMS became launched on Oct. 25, 1977, and at the beginning frequent with ease as VMS. The application became developed by means of DEC, which later become got through Compaq computer Corp., which in flip turned into bought by means of HP in 2002.
The acquisitions made the OpenVMS user group worried -- as did HP's subsequent choice to end development and earnings of its AlphaServer systems, the hardware line that turned into synonymous with OpenVMS. HP says AlphaServer users should still switch to its Itanium-primarily based Integrity servers.
however some clients are concerned that pulling the plug on the AlphaServers will send a signal to independent application companies that OpenVMS is barely a 2nd cousin to HP-UX, the business's version of Unix, and thereby affect future porting choices on key functions.
as an example, Cerner Corp., a Kansas city, Mo.-primarily based dealer of fitness care applications that run on OpenVMS on the AlphaServer line, said previous this year that it didn't plan to aid that working gadget on the Integrity hardware. as an alternative, Cerner had begun offering its flagship Millennium 2007 software on Integrity methods working HP-UX.
regardless of HP's contemporary efforts to get its message out about the way forward for OpenVMS, users like Charles Tollett continue to be concerned.
"i am ready to see if the actions match the statements," stated Tollett, an OpenVMS programs administrator who requested that his business now not be recognized. He added that he desires HP to do more to maintain the present assist of unbiased application companies for OpenVMS -- and even build on it.
"i am now not convinced that they are inserting that message to the companies amazing adequate, and infrequently enough, to get the vendors to buy into it," spoke of Tollett, who listened to the encompass webcast with Fink.
however Ann McQuaid, established supervisor of HP's OpenVMS techniques division, noted that ninety% of the software carriers that support OpenVMS have ported applications to the Itanium-based mostly Integrity platform. Altogether, some 1,200 OpenVMS purposes from about 600 businesses can be found on the Integrity techniques, in accordance with McQuaid.
the majority of the OpenVMS put in base remains on AlphaServer methods, with market researcher IDC estimating that there are nevertheless about a hundred and fifty,000 Alpha-based mostly systems in use. however McQuaid noted HP is "seeing lots of circulation to Integrity."
The new edition of OpenVMS that HP plans to unencumber will encompass tools for managing blade servers, expanding on initial blade help that was announced past this yr.
JBoss and MySQL are both purchasable on OpenVMS now, but they are not supported by HP itself. McQuaid spoke of that JBoss support will develop into attainable in subsequent year's first quarter, and that aid for MySQL can also follow by means of mid-2008. consumers that are the usage of one of those items with OpenVMS could be able to get help for the open-supply technology from HP below their present carrier contracts, she introduced.
HP additionally plans to add support for its Integrity virtual desktop technology to OpenVMS, beginning with prototype types which are scheduled for release subsequent year, McQuaid mentioned. Integrity digital computer allows clients to create diverse digital servers.
Robert Gezelter, an OpenVMS advisor in Flushing, N.Y., talked about he has been very satisfied with the operating gadget running on Integrity methods. The application has been incredibly good and usable on that platform, Gezelter said, including that moving to Itanium-primarily based hardware has diminished the can charge of the use of OpenVMS.
Letters So, the Tru64 period has ended by the hands of HP. Compaq/DEC's vaunted clustering and file gadget expertise had been despatched to the area the place utility dies, and Veritas has been adopted. HP's Inkvent agenda would not seem to guide a lot Unix analysis and development at the present time - an awful lot to the dismay of the ancient Compaq arms and customers unfold across the globe.
The remarkable irony of this complete situation is that background is repeating itself in a huge approach. DEC bought a license for Veritas' file system many years ago as a way to enhance its personal AdvFS (superior file equipment). (Thanks for the reminder on that, Dave G.) Now HP is killing AdvFS and buying Veritas' file system once more. here's a fine business model for Veritas, and other ISVs may still take notes on how they can highest quality take expertise of the chaos that's post-Compaq merger HP.
Now to the letters. We asked for your remarks on HP's determination to let Tru64 valued clientele down through reneging on past promises, and also you supplied referred to feedback with authority. we'll take the ordinary step of only the use of initials on these letters to protect those of you inclined to communicate out against HP. We hear that doesn't go over terribly smartly in Fiorinaville, and why punish the already punished.
simply to provide you with a taste of what is ahead, right here is reasonably perhaps the most desirable reader remark we've ever bought. "It’s a great aspect that HP in no way got the rights to penicillin. if they had, mankind would have perished from frequent disorder while HP tried to determine how integrate it with anthrax."
fat opportunity of getting Tru64 clients emigrate to HPUX now!
How can any half clueful HP decision maker expect consumers to stream from a great product with scu, advfs, lsm and cfs to an inferior one with high priced third birthday celebration supported mission crucial add ins - HPUX cannot even multipath natively ?
I do not believe so. i might fairly purchase anything else - if it has to be that large a change why no longer go the total method. You do not maintain going again to individuals who continually deceive you and reward them, with repeat purchases being the different decision driver.
From the surest to nothing special at all in three short years. Go HP.
How do I think as a Tru64 Cluster administrator ? stunned, stunned, let down, betrayed, ashamed .... neatly no longer in reality. After HP announced the takeover I estimated that it wouldn't go as smoothly as their advertising and marketing branch expected. I now have a very smug 'I instructed you so' feeling, the most effective really fabulous concern with this announcement is that it took them so long to kill Tru64, I expected it a lot sooner..
Our plans are to circulation away from Tru64/Alpha/HP-UX, we just didn't trust within the HP-UX/Itanium combination. we now have already migrated some methods to Linux and if we can discover a decent cluster for a 800 consumer SAP system then we can likely circulation all our methods to Linux.
We in fact like HP Intel hardware so that they will likely maintain our customized and to prove we like them we even purchased 2 Itanium servers. We rather like them besides the fact that children the fee turned into just a little steep and we likely won't buy any further unless the cost comes down dramatically.
To summarise: this announcement confirms our suspicions about HP intentions against Tru64 and does not have an effect on our future plans as we failed to plan on migrating to HP-UX/Itanium.
FYI: we now have three Tru64 Clusters, 9 different Tru64 servers and 10 Linux servers presently in use.
smartly, i used to be relatively an awful lot sticking with Tru64 because the platform tied to my ArcInfo license. i might must pay up to alternate platforms, and it wouldn't work any more suitable. ArcInfo, like Tru64, is an end-of-existence product.
That talked about, i'm no longer surprised at HPs newest movement. They seem to be working in a zone beyond logic, acquiring corporations that compete with their own traces, then throwing them away inspite of the lots of cash they bring in.
If I had been faced with migrating a clustered device, i'd analyze a far better-established platform than Itanium/HPux. The option, preserve running Tru64 on late-model Aplha hardware, looks relatively respectable, too. I hear David Turner at Island computer systems is having a increase year promoting refurb DS- and ES-sequence machines.
satisfactory plug there for Mr Turner.
How do I feel about this?
TruCluster become the neatest thing moving into UNIX cluster technology (can you say transparently decentralized excessive-availability file device) and AdvFS changed into a breeze to work with. HP-SUX would have finally been tolerable with this inclusion. because it is, they might as smartly migrate to Longhorn and finished the betrayal of their UNIX consumers.
really, i'm no Tru64 user -- i'm an OpenVMS geek.
i'm befuddled via this announcement. i believed UNIX stuff changed into alleged to be "essential" and "moveable". They slid the building schedule except they at last gave up on porting it? That would not mesh.
I guess i am pleased OpenVMS isn't based on any UNIX stuff -- according to this announcement, it could by no means have been ported to Itanium (never mind being ported on time, per the schedule based several years ago) had it been so!
I don't imply to be cruel, but enable me to assert to all these VMS nay-sayers, "nyah nyah". Chalk up a further in the long line of eunuchs that OpenVMS (you comprehend, that "lifeless, legacy OS from the '70s") has outlived.
Pardon me while i go again to my analysis on the new features in the upcoming unlock of OpenVMS v8.2 for VAX, Alpha, and Itanium.
I guess I gained 5 bucks... probably the most HP sales Engineers I work with and that i made a raffle at the time that Compaq changed into bought that not one of the true vital constituents of Tru64 would make it into HP-UX. i have been a long terem HP-UX backer on account of its balance and have been truly anticipating these new promised points. wager we can count number AdvFS and stuff like that as one more instance of cool know-how that corporate the us has killed. under existing management, HP has grew to become from a know-how pushed company to just another pc company - wager in a number of years printers can be the handiest element we remember HP for...
To be honest i'm become amazed when Compaq failed to kill it off after purchasing from Digital. it's a shame there are a lot of in fact cool things about TRU64. My enamel have been cut with Digital Unix four.0 and that combined with 64 bit Alpha chips changed into a mighty platform.
without the investment in new Alpha chips continued investment in TRU64 seems a little futile. HP has cited pretty clearly that their intention is movement their client base from RISC to HP-UX (or Linux) on Itanium. maybe now not publically, especiallly no longer to the TRU64 users, however all of the clues have been there.
possibly HP may do us all a desire and open supply TRU64 in the event that they are executed with it.
Why not? if you’ve received an operating equipment and file device that nears the functionality and robustness of OpenVMS, why not kill it? Tru64 bought it clustering and CFS from the probably the most engineers that brought us OpenVMS. With the top-quality technology in the world, it simplest makes sense that you simply dump it because you can’t shoe horn it into HP-UX. HP would have been a ways better of trying to shoe horn HP-UX into Tru64. There’s now not lots to do in comparison with going the opposite direction. Bob Palmer didn’t know a way to promote it, and Carly doesn’t recognize the way to sell it. HP may still just concede the race to MS and IBM now. They make tremendous OSs (OpenVMS, Tru64), exquisite servers (Proliant, Alpha), and top notch storage (Storageworks). It’s time for HP to dump it all, center of attention on printing (a market quickly to be owned through Dell), and suck as much as invoice G. or IBM in hopes of a buyout. The Digital advertising folks were needless, and they have been curiously the handiest folks to be retained by Compaq and HP. It’s a pretty good factor that HP under no circumstances obtained the rights to penicillin. in the event that they had, mankind would have perished from frequent disease whereas HP tried to figure out how integrate it with anthrax. HP has burned its die difficult supporters for the closing time. Goodbye HP, hiya Dell, IBM, and MS. relaxation in peace HP! by the way, I’m no longer bitter.
hi, I spent years on the Tru64 consumer Council paying attention to HP make guarantees concerning the way forward for Tru64 and in selected, the promises from HP that TruClusters could be ported to HPUX. After the remaining such event that i used to be able to attend, I came away with the company impact that in order to maintain use of cluster expertise, purchasers would be at an advantage porting lower back to OpenVMS as opposed to watch for the port to HPUX with any simple task that such facets would arrive in a well timed trend. OpenVMS has had clusters considering that 1980 and it is still the superior implementation of such know-how. OpenVMS is itself in danger of course – the most excellent option for the long run personally is for HP to donate Tru64 and OpenVMS to the Open source foundation.
a sad day indeed.. this is what occurs when you've got fits in can charge who don’t know what an Alphaserver is until someone drops one on their heads.. One has to grasp to the slim possibility that they will donate the source to the OpenSource community. by no means appreciated HP/UX and might’t definitely see us migrating to that with out the merits of Tru64 UNIX aspects. no longer concept for the time being what this can mean for us however we've our quarterly assembly with HP next Wednesday. they will have some explaining to do I guess..
As each a tru64 and Hp-ux 11iv2 person. I discovered tru64 5.1x to be a far more superior working equipment of two. After listening to this announcement i'm greatly surprised to say the least with the latest installment in the NEW HP's "damm the consumer" attitude. I need to say that tru-cluster and advfs one of the vital most advanced stuff I actually have considered in the unix world. And when I have proven some sun admins what trucluster may do they were fairly amazed. So now that these ideas are at a technological lifeless conclusion. i will only hope that HP does the appropriate element and throws the supply code for advfs and trucluster to the open source group. I get the feeling that each my employer and myself were had.
this is really unhealthy..
considering DEC turned into sold good know-how is being discontinued, Tru64 Unix and Alpha systems are the next ones. individually Tru64 is more desirable than HP-UX, and HP will never admit it.. the coverage is: "if we couldn't be enhanced than they, purchase their products and get rid of it".
I feel within the near future my Alpha programs will turn to FreeBSD..
How does this Tru64 person feel? we now have been the usage of Tru64 on Alpha for ten years as the basis of our internet and file carrier. inside six months, all of that should be on Mac OS X operating on IBM CPU's.
I might rant on about all of hp's dull, customer-unfriendly selections, however what's the point? moves speak louder than, as Anthony Burgess so succinctly put it.
ultimate time we purchased DEC/Compaq/HP-Machines become 11.2000.
Now we're on Linux and buy Dell or different Hardware - never HP-laptop (simplest Printer).
advfs is the most excellent filesystem - if HP come to a decision no advfs - no HP anymore.
Having been a victim of Tandem continuous UNIX, Compaq continuous Clusters (SCO UNIXware 7 clusterized which was the biggest load of bollocks within the business) Then a quick stumble upon with authentic Clusters before my company was bought by way of Texas oil barons, it comes as fully no shock that Carly is shit canning Tru64. through the a way I now have a collectible Tru64 "live Free or Die" registration code from a previous convention. i might think about that the Gates/Fester loving folks at HP/Compaq should be slowly winding down HP/UX in favour of extra Intel/Windoz platforms
In a number of phrases, I feel bitter and misled. My loyalty in opposition t DEC and their superior expertise at last rewarded with a chilly shrug from HP. this is a circulation that i will not forget! Veritas in any case will run simply nearly as good on Solaris and AIX bins. weird to peer an as soon as imaginative enterprise that HP became, picking every direction they can to make sure they kill themselves.
Predictably, eventually betrayed. After being dragged along in this event all this time, HP at last confesses the fact: or not it's trashing a very good know-how and operating device (IMHO) and to hell with us all.
i am very upset about HP's duplicity. If HP had any experience, they'd drop their HP-UX working device and rename Tru64 UNIX as HP-UX. they would have a higher operating equipment in the event that they did that! unluckily, market share usually triumphs over exceptional.
Screwed, blued, and tattooed...
How does this make me feel? i'm under no circumstances getting a warm fuzzy from the $700K+ we now have spent in the final year on HP SAN & Cluster products working Tru64. We noticed this and other adjustments coming even though and we have already transformed a significant portion of our UNIX capabilities to different vendors over the remaining two years :-) This at the least affords us some degree of handle. whether we spend to any extent further money with HP is dependent upon a few our utility carriers. If there are alternatives, we are able to definitely be evaluating them. How does this make me think? I kinda pass over DEC :-)
well, that's what you name venting. Thanks for the entire letters. Sorry to people who didn't make the cut. ®
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